Recently, CGG posted an article by contributor Kristen Schinsky in response to the Victoria’s Secret “I Love My Body” campaign. The point of the article was that Victoria’s Secret only loves one type of body. Offended by what she perceived as putting down skinny women, another blogger posted a response claiming that Schinsky’s message was just as damaging to young women as the Victoria’s Secret campaign, presumably because she felt Schinsky was promoting an unhealthy (aka, “fat”) lifestyle. While I’m not going to link to the article, I would like to share some of the comments:
-haha “curvy”… whatever. nothing besides HEALTHY really matters. fat is not healthy. thats cute that fat people want to love their bodies and sing it on top of a mountain but its not going to change the fact that they are unhealthy and probably unattractive. i hate this whole love your body BS. If you love your body you will try to be healthy and not be fat. Studies have proven that very low calorie diets and low body fat lead to long life. That probably means being hungry and skinny. Most people don’t like being hungry so this isn’t very popular, but it is proven.
-Saying that you “love your body” is just another way of saying, “I’m lazy, so I’ve settled to be fat.” I don’t understand this, why would anyone settle for anything, ever. Isn’t part of life, always wanting to be better, no matter what it is, including your physical appearance and health.
If you’re overweight do something to change yourself. Not only is it unhealthy to be overweight but it’s physically unappealing (for the majority of people, obviously there are always outliers to any group). Stop complaining. You have no one to blame but yourself. This article is just another example of the “I’ve failed, so blame someone else” attitude that we’ve grown to have.
- as far as this same old tired mantra goes, fat chicks, get healthy!! Dont be mad at chicks who actually give a damn about themselves! stop trying to lower the bar!!! Im so tired of fat, overweight, out of shape, and frankly lazy chicks complaining, and categorizing other women as not real because they put in more effort at looking good than they do! these women whatever else you might think or say( and a lot of it is justified) they put in the work! You dont just walk in and become a vickis secret model, and you dont maintain that job by eating twinkies!They earn it, so stop all the complaining!!!
Sigh.
To give credit where it’s due, there were also many comments to the effect of what I’m going to say below, and kudos to those folks for having common sense and embracing the reality that we come in all different shapes and sizes. It’s the people who left comments like those above that I want to ask: What is fat? What does it look like? Is there a specific height/weight combo that one is able to calculate by visual assessment? And while we’re at it, let’s do the same with skinny(we can’t just hate the fatties, let’s hate the obviously anorexic eating disorder folks, too). And too skinny. And too fat. And obese. Do we have some hard and fast guidelines? Can we say anybody who weighs under 110 lbs is too skinny? And let’s go with over 135 is too fat. That seems reasonable. Anybody who doesn’t fit within this 25 lb weight range is too something and therefore unhealthy. Should we all carry scales in our pockets, just to make sure? Or are we all awesome at determining weight (and therefore, health) by visual assessment?
Because this is entirely a health issue, right?
I have read plenty of blogs that talk about our obesity epidemic. I have read that having to listen to fat people chew impedes on the rights of others to enjoy public venues. I have read that fat is not healthy, no way, no how. I have read that skinny women are anorexic and only eat lettuce and a man wants meat, only a dog wants a bone. So, I want, no demand to know, what is fat and what is skinny?
Let’s create some hard and fast guidelines that can be determined by looking at someone, so we can go through life creating automatic judgments about who is healthy (and therefore worthy of love, respect, and happiness) and who is not.
Or, as an alternative, we could stop couching our prejudices about physical appearance in the language of “health.” The only people who know if I am healthy are myself and my doctor. Same goes for you, and everyone else. The only people who know if you are healthy are you and your doctor. The only people who know if the fat cow chewing his cud behind a very offended blogger is healthy are himself and his doctor.
Nobody knows someone else’s cholesterol, blood pressure, diabetes status, distance endurance, max bench press reps, caloric intake, activity level, or general degree of happiness and enjoyment of life by looking at them. So, let’s either stop hiding our prejudices about appearance in language about health and come right out and say, “Fat/skinny people are ugly. I do not like to look at fat/skinny people. Fat/skinny people bother me,” or let’s stop being nasty about other people’s appearance and worry about being the best, kindest, healthiest, happiest people we can be.
Audrey Binkowski is a writer, a mother, a digital marketer, and a hoarder of vintage items. Seriously, her closets and cupboards are full of old crap that belonged to dead people. You can read more from Audrey on her blog, Laugh Mom.
I don’t know where I saw it, but I need to find it. There is a guy that went to his Dr, and he said he had to lose weight because he had high BP & high cholesterol (or some collection of health problems that are related to weight) and he had a high BMI. So he ate better, exercised, but didn’t actually lose any weight (or change his BMI much), went back to the Dr, and the related health problems were gone. He started and organization (damn I need to find that) that is working to counter the assertion that your weight is a sign of your healthiness. My mom has never been “skinny” but at time in her life, she has been by far one of the healthiest people I know. Working in physically active & demanding jobs, eating healthy/natural foods, but never being “skinny”.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
While I see both sides of this issue, I think it’s far too often taken to extremes. What about all the girls who are sizes 6-8-10-12? Would someone consider that fat? Probably not. But are they model-worthy? Nope, they’re not that either. Plus size modeling starts at, what, size 10? I think THAT is ridiculous. I have a lot of thin friends, and see a lot of girls whose bodies I am envious of, and not ONE is smaller than a size 6 or maybe 4. NONE of them are a 0 or even 00. I’m not sure what the average size is for a VS model (although it’s probably slightly bigger than an average runway model), but it’s still what one would probably consider “tiny” and not simply “thin”. Designing for a size 14 and up IS different. I don’t expect to see the same styles and same cuts as you would see for a size 4 or 6, but the issue, to me, is that they’re not showing 8-10-12′s either. Those sizes are “too big” too, even though not many people would be running around calling those girls fat, obese, or even unhealthy. I don’t expect to see a size 22 model walking in a VS secret fashion show, but I WOULD like it all to be a little more realistic. Get rid of the 16 year olds and show a real woman with real hips and real boobs, and maybe someone who is NOT 5’10″ tall. What’s the purpose of THAT anyway?!
I’ve battled my weight for years and years and years, and I’ve talked to my doctor about it multiple times. One time I was talking about being thin, and he told me, “Jennifer, I would rather you be heavy and fit than thin and not.” Health does not come in a size.
This is perfect. The correlation between body size as perceived by visual aspects only and health is often made but rarely correct.
The picture of health is someone whose organs, muscles, and respiratory systems are working at an optimum capacity. To fuel such health, there are a vast array of vitamins and minerals needed to be consumed through food, or at the very least vitamin form. Additionally, cardiovascular health is maintained through exercise. Thus the tried and true diet and exercise are the key to health. Only, over the years, we have changed this to mean diet and exercise are the key to losing weight.
While this may be true, diet and exercise MAY cause you to lose weight if you were at an unhealthy weight before, it may cause some to gain weight, because they too were at an unhealthy weight. The term “diet” encompasses what you eat and need to sustain optimum health. Only we are programmed to think “diet” means a plan to restrict calories in an attempt to lose weight.
My father has always been within the normal BMI ranges. He works out 3-5 times every week, even at 64 years old. He was a college baseball player and has been active his entire life. My father has had 2 major heart attacks, has diabetes, and is in remission for multiple myeloma.
My mother does not like to exercise just to exercise. She has always struggled with weight. She is steadily over the normal BMI range, but is thankfully down from the obese category. My mother has the same tests performed on her yearly as my father does, yet for some reason, her body appears to be in better health than his. Would her health improve with a better diet and exercise, yes it would. But just because someone is active and eats well does not mean they are “healthy.”
I saw something on Pinterest this morning that I think is amazing. “If you talked to your friends like you talk to your body, you wouldn’t have any friends left.” So the point of loving your body not only means being comfortable in your own skin, but it means caring enough about yourself to take the best care of you that you can. And for me, in my size 8 post partum body, that means distancing myself from people who find me to be lazy because I am not longer the size 4 I was 5 years ago.
I don’t know that anyone ever said they were okay with being fat. I agree that we should all work on being healthy, whatever that size is for us.
I also don’t think the point here is that we want “fat” models on regular clothes. I think what we curvy–yes, cuvy, not fat, I am a size 4 and still curvy!–girls want to see is more models who look like us…every day girls. The hard part for every day women is, there are no models to relate to that aren’t proportioned like Barbie or deemed “plus sized.”
How about the fact that I want to see what real clothes look like on a real girl like me?
I go to the gym 6 or 7 days a week. I ride my bike for hours at a time almost every weekend. I run close to 20 miles a week. I am strong from lifting weights. I’m not fat. I’m curvy, normal and, most importantly, healthy.
I’m okay with being fat. It’s part of who I am.
The thing is, I dress well, I eat well, I have good skin and great hair. I have a good job. I have great friends. I make enough money that I don’t have to worry (too much) about making my bills every month.
I’m healthy, too (see my comment below), which is where the focus should be. But I am fat, I know I’m fat, and I’m okay with it, because not being okay with it would make for a pretty miserable life, and my life is actually pretty spectacular. Even if I am a fat girl.
Well said.
Hear hear!!
I am fat. I actually am classified as “morbidly obese.” People call me all sorts of awful things to my face. I was put in Weight Watchers by my mother at age 14. She submitted me to dozens of diets, none of which ever did a damn thing for me other than give me disordered eating patterns. It wasn’t until my twenties that we realized I have hypothyroidism, and haven’t had a metabolism to speak of most of my life. I’m on medications with a significant weight gain side effect. By the time we caught all of this, I was already 300 pounds. I’ve remained that weight since all of my meds got switched around and my thyroid levels are under control with additional medication.
And you know what? Even at 300 pounds, my cholesterol, blood sugar, and blood pressure are all perfect. I eat healthy foods and exercise. I can go for long walks and bike rides and all those things fat people aren’t supposed to do, and while I might be a bit slower (anyone carrying a backpack that would bring their total weight to 300 is going to be a bit slower, that’s a lot of mass to move around!) I can still do it.
The best part is, I LOVE myself. I love how I look. I know I’m beautiful. I refuse to let other people’s prejudices color my perception of myself. My body does what it needs to do to get me from point A to point B. If there was a famine, my body is fantastically good at storing fat, so I wouldn’t die in said famine.
I am fat, and I’m totally okay with that. I pull “concerned” parents ridiculing their children for being fat aside and give them the what-for. I’m happy to lecture anyone who comes to me claiming “they’re concerned about my health” until they either see the truth or see so much red they walk away. I’m happy to preach Health at Every Size for the rest of my life. I’m fat, and I’m healthy, and I’m happy. If only everyone could be happy with their weight and overall health!
Thank you for this. Sadly, throwing in “health” is giving people a license to be horrid to people overweight (or too skinny as the case my be). It’s become the “bless your heart” of the fitness world – you can say whatever you want under the guise of health. Healthy vs. Not Healthy don’t really matter when it comes down to the level of aggression that gets thrown at people who don’t fit the visual mold. I’m doing what I can. I changed my eating habits, I drink tons of water, I eat vegetables and grains I had never heard of the first half of my life, I do a workout that burns 300-600 calories depending on the intensity of the scheduled day 5 to 6 days a week. I’ve done this combination for 6 months. I lost 11 lbs. That’s it. 11 flipping pounds. When I get my bloodwork back and all my levels are checked – I’m “healthier” than 80% if the people I know. I have a good 50 lbs on one of my friends and I can do a full Zumba class and still be ready to go at the end, my friend can’t finish the first half.
People need to stop being so flipping hateful and hurtful. I’m sick of seeing the groups speaking out against race, sex, sexual preference and whatever else discrimination… but hey, every one loves a good FAT JOKE. The world would be a much better place if people would just stop being assholes. Be more accepting. I guarantee half of those people being so hateful in their comments have an overweight family member, and I would BET MONEY they wouldn’t say those things to their mom, dad or grandparent. Ugh.
Ok, as a dude there is a clear difference between “fat” and “curvy” and “not fat” and “unhealthy fat” and “massively fat” and “skinny” and “thin” and “deathly ill.” One thing the commenter that you quote had right is it should be about HEALTH first – everything else second. If you are a healthy curvy girl, then good on you. But if your curves are layers of fat causing you health problems, then you need to get that shit taken care of. Hit the treadmill. I’m not a small guy, 6’1″, 280 and I have fat. But I go to the doctor and the doctor says “healthy.” So I live with it and I’m happy. I don’t give a shit. But the second that doctor says, “this is going to become a problem (I do exercise regularly) then I do what I can to take care of it.
Where the commenter missed the mark was that there is so many different definitions of “fat” and so on. There are societal norms for weight, but again, it’s all about your perspective in relation to health. I like a girls with some curves, but not disgustingly fat (you know the ones.) Basically, you are too fat (and guaranteed to have health problems) if you don’t fit in a movie theater seat. By the same token, you are too skinny (and guaranteed to have health problems) if the theater seat folds up on you when you are sitting in it.
I’m a fat girl. People don’t like to hear it. I’m 5’7 and I wear a size 20. I wear it well and I’m not disgustingly obese, but according to BMI, I am “morbidly obese” and I have to shop at fat girls specialty stores. I’m a fat girl.
I’m also healthy. Not because I say so, but because I see my doctor regularly, and he knows from my physicals and test results that my numbers are good and my health is better than most Americans. I used to say “I’m remarkably healthy for a fat girl”, but it turns out, I’m remarkably healthy for someone who lives in this country. So says my doctor.
See, I don’t own a car, so I walk everywhere. I’m not a big fan of processed foods, so I make all my own meals from scratch and I eat really healthily – buying local when I can, organic when it makes sense, and putting in hours at my local food co-op so I can afford to eat well.
No one has said to my face that I’m fat or that I’m unhealthy. I only ever get those comments anonymously on the internet, and generally not directed at me, specifically. But if I’m a fat girl, then I’m assumed to be unhealthy, despite what my doctor has to say on the matter. I am “diagnosed” as eating poorly, not exercising, being lazy, not taking care of myself, etc., etc., etc. Which couldn’t be farther from the truth.
I read that blog post because it was on my local paper’s website, and I was hurt by the people who live in my area attacking me (generically) based solely on my size. The blogger doesn’t even realize the hate that she perpetuates by overreacting to an article that calls out the terrible health and dietary choices that VS models are required to make in order to be seen as worthy of having their body loved. That women gang up on each other over physical details is something we’ve always had to deal with, but when a size 6-10 woman feels attacked because of something said about size 0 lingerie models, and turns it around to hate on the fat girls instead, I can’t help but be reminded of the white men who claim to be persecuted by Affirmative Action or a lack of “white pride” organizations.
I’m flummoxed as to why we can’t allow each other to love our own bodies and leave other peoples’ bodies alone. If your doc says you’re healthy, believe him or her. If you think you’re healthy because you don’t FEEL sick, get a second opinion from a medical professional. If some random idiot on the street or internet makes judgements on your health, ignore them and keep walking. Even a medical professional can’t diagnose you without an exam.
I guess some people just need someone to hate on. Fat hate is the flavor of the moment and one of the few acceptable forms of bigotry left in the US.
I love this!
I could not love this entire comment more right now.
This? Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Ahhh-mazing. I love love love this comment so much.
AMEN!!
/standing/
/applauding/
Wow! This is one of those never-ending arguments, but I think we can all agree that good health is the most important part of it all. Yes, overweight people can be healthy, and thin ones can be totally unhealthy…but on average, those who carry a healthy amount of weight are healthier. Eating reasonably well and being active is key, as you’ve pointed out.
I do think it is wrong to idealize ultra-thin bodies, and even extremely large-breasted women— which makes young girls think they are “supposed” to look that way. (Sorry to throw in another monkey wrench, but it’s out there, too.) Girls grow up begging for breast enhancements, and we all know someone who has made themselves seriously ill dieting. It is hard for girls that don’t “fit” in the mold we are creating:( I’m not sure what the answer to all this is, but we need to do a better job of ensuring that people of all sizes are accepted and appreciated for themselves, and not their jean size.
I’m never going to be “thin” or “skinny”. So according to this person, I am not healthy because I don’t look a certain way.
I’m Italian. I have big hips, big boobs, and a fuller stomach and thighs. I could work out 7 days a week, run a million miles, and eat nothing but lettuce, and I still wouldn’t look like a model. (I would also be dead, but that’s different.)
My body is different than a model or an athlete. It was designed to birth a lot of babies and eat a lot of pasta.
It’s not going to look a certain way, because that’s not how my body is going to look. Models are tall; athletes are strong; some people are naturally curvy, some people are naturally thin. It’s not a crime, it’s genetics.
I’m tired of being told I need to look a certain way to be beautiful. My family thinks I’m stunning. My friends are jealous of my small waist. My baby cousins like to snuggle themselves into my soft chest.
I’m not thin or skinny. I’m curvy because I am. I can’t change what God gave me. Why should I want to?
I feel like I just wrote this. Every part rings true for me…and probably millions of others as well.
“It’s not a crime, it’s genetics.”
I love this! I’m 5’0″ and I have the same thick body shape as my mother, though she is taller than me and always will be. She has many health problems and they run in my family, so I exercise and eat as well as I can afford so that I can prevent those from happening to me. I have been criticized over and over again for my entire life based on my weight until I literally believed that I couldn’t be anything else or anything better. After reading “Lessons from the Fat-O-Sphere,” my entire outlook changed and I believe that I can be different and I can be healthier without relying on a change in “size” or “weight” to mark that change. I can be fit and fat. It’s genetics.
My first thought about this is that technically, I’m obese. I’m 5″3′ and weigh 185, but when I had my annual physical ALL of my test results came back normal. I even said at the time, “how can someone who is 60 pounds overweight be so darn healthy?!”. So obviously fat does not equal unhealthy.
My second thought is, I’m guessing that a lot of the negative comments came from young women – women who probably as of yet have not had children. Before kids, I weighed 125 pounds and just could not imagine how women could gain so much weight when they had kids. Oh boy, do I get it now!! I think when you are young, you think “it’ll never happen to me”, but it does and then you can look at overweight people with more compassion.
You’re all already addressing the obvious atrocities, so I’m going to point out another one that bothers me…this sentence:
“Isn’t part of life, always wanting to be better, no matter what it is, including your physical appearance and health.”
While I agree that we should always be learning and growing and bettering ourselves on some level, that sentiment is a big reason why so many of us are unhappy. Unable to embrace and be thankful for the things we do have. You see inspirational things all over the internet saying thankful people are happy people. That sentiment goes far beyond weight/health. Saying “I love myself” or “I love my life” goes way deeper than body image.
YES! THIS! I thought the same thing while reading this sentence!! I’m all for growing and learning throughout life, but the constant drive to be “better” must have, as its corollary, a constant sense of dissatisfaction with the present situation. If you are unhappy with something, by all means, change it, but I think that we would benefit from simply slowing down and enjoying things as they are, while accepting that there may be things we’d like to change.
My other thought while reading this sentence was that this particular commenter must be very unhappy and feel rather empty inside. Never being satisfied with the present and always attempting to be “better” would be a very stressful way to live one’s life.
I’m 5’10 and 166 lbs. I wear a size 8 long gap jeans. My BMI is 23.8 = normal weight.
My triglycerides are triple what they should be 497 instead of 150, my good cholesterol is low at 39 with 40 being the min. they want to see. They couldn’t calculate my bad choleseterol b/c “triglyceride result indicated is too high for an accurate LDL cholesterol estimation”
Weight is sooo not everything…..
*just got these results in Monday so I have started a heart healthy diet and an Rx for the cholesterol wish me luck!
I just want to stand up and applaud. I want to scream HELL YES. Exactly!! WTF with the people who missed the point of the original article? Using “health” as a cover for being able to cast judgments on people is ridiculous. “Well, it’s for your own health you know.”
I’m 5’5″. I’m 185 lbs. To many that see me, they think…damn, she’s fat. Even my BMI is on the border between overweight and obese. But you know what? I see my endocrinologist, and my regular doc every six months. All my labs are good. My heart is good and strong. Liver, kidneys, etc. All good. I’m healthy. And I feel good. To some, I may be “fat” and “unhealthy” but the bottom line is this – unless you are my doctor – don’t bother passing judgment on me and my body. What’s that they say…until you’ve walked a mile in someone else’s shoes…
Great post, Audrey!
I have always been comfortable in my skin, no matter what size I am. I’ve been a size 2. I’ve been a size 16.
I think I am just naturally vain. And my spectacular hair and fantastic boobs tend to draw away from any cellulite issues I may or may not have at any given time. But I was raised in household that told me I was beautiful and smart. Maybe that’s why I can accept that I am beautiful and smart. And I am raising my children to be beautiful and smart.
Meredith, I could’ve written most of your comment. Nice to hear these things from someone else. [The exceptions being, that I'm not a mom, and the smallest I've ever been is size 8.] ;p
This is the part that bothered me the most: “Studies have proven that very low calorie diets and low body fat lead to long life. That probably means being hungry and skinny. Most people don’t like being hungry so this isn’t very popular, but it is proven.”
Being hungry doesn’t mean being healthy. Hunger is your body’s way of telling you to put some calories in it. Going around always feeling hungry is not a virtue; it’s an eating disorder.
(Also, which studies prove that being hungry and skinny lead to a longer life? Sources?)
Even if the studies that were pointed out were true and existed. In the one life I get to live, I want to enjoy every single moment. Which means, I strive to be healthy to have more moments, but I have no plans to suffer through these moments hungry just to prolong them.
I really wish we could retire the word “disgusting” as it relates to fat. Seriously. “Those disgusting fat people” means nothing. Your disgust is not the same as somebody else’s disgust. Your reaction to someone’s fatness is not the same as the next person’s. The day I turned off one of the modeling reality shows was the day somebody called a girl who weighed maybe 115 “disgustingly fat.” Really? Seriously? Lady, your idea of disgusting is a couple hundred pounds away from what some others find disgusting.
As someone who probably disgusts some of the people who see her every day–but doesn’t really care– I remain, yours sincerely, A Fat Woman.
I can’t agree with you strongly enough. Not only can your health not be measured by the weight you carry in all cases, but some people do not posesses the ability to becoming ‘thin’. Whether it’s bone structure or metabolism many girls will not become what is slowly becoming the ‘normal’ Size 0 because of breast size or hip size, which I guarentee, no amount of weight loss will change.
As you said, no one can comment on the health of another without knowing the facts and it’s upsetting to see someone go on such a rant defending it as concern for people’s ‘health’.
Especially since right now I am taking part of a competition with Curvy Kate lingerie for girls with curves which is promoting all body shapes and sizes are beautiful, I have suddenly become increasingly concerned with the way people view ‘healthy’ bodies. Your blog post hits the nail on the head and it’s lovely to see someone taking a hard line on what no one else seems to want to say.
This is more information should you wish to see it: http://blog.curvykate.com/star-in-a-bra-top-thirty-announced/
I am an open water swimmer (particularly liking 5k+). I’ve competed in triathlons, and I used to fight in Muay Thai. I’ve played baseball, tennis, volleyball and numerous other sports. I’m a full time student, and I work on weekends to pay for rent/tuition.
I am also not “thin”, never have been never will. I’m around 145 and 5’9″ which I have been for years, which I consider a healthy weight and my blood pressure is super low, as is my cholesterol (LDL is low, HDL high) and any other signs of unhealthy living. Actually my weight has been envious of some and unacceptably fat to others.
For example, I was working out at the gym. I was lifting weights before hitting the pool and this guy came up to me and said something, but I had head phones in and I asked him “oh sorry I didn’t hear you, do you want to alternate on the machine?” but he was walking away by then. He actually came back to me later on another machine to tell me what he wanted to say, which was “If you want to lose weight, you need to run.” So this guy, when I was WORKING OUT, had the nerve to not only say this once, but to say it twice to make sure I heard it. I waited for him to go back to his buddies, before I went up to him and made sure he knew that he was a terrible person, and that if he knew ANYTHING about health that women are supposed to have weight bearing exercise to prevent osteoporosis, and that having a high amount of muscle in your body breaks down fat. I asked him “do you think this is motivating to tell young women this? do you think that “just running” every day makes you thin? I swim 3+ kms a day, PLUS I’m active. I’m happy with my body, I don’t care what YOU think of it because I care about what I can do with it versus what I look like. I’m really worried about the women you speak to who AREN’T confident in what their bodies can do. You might have sparked an eating disorder, caused someone who loves that person to be in pain watching their loved ones suffer. You may have caused someone to run and injure themselves. You may have discouraged someone to even bother trying. WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION WITH ACTING THIS WAY?” Eventually even his friends were berating him, one of them actually came up to me a few days later at the same gym and asked me to go out with him sometime which I refused.
Of course, without mentioning the incident, I’ve been told that I need to eat more on a regular basis. That I’m too skinny and don’t need to watch my figure (which I don’t. I just like healthy food). Actually getting eye rolls when I order a salad at a restaurant is a common occurrence, when I legit love salad.
I honestly DO have a problem when people can’t walk up a flight of stairs without seeming winded, or equivalent. Just yesterday a very thin guy was breathing hard after walking up stairs with me. He needs to hit the treadmill for his lungs sakes!
I think having a standard will never work. Some people are just effed up to think that everyone needs to look a really specific way. And when people understand that then we can move on from this.
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